Risers meeting for Tuesday December third. Can the council
changes their report out of question thank you chair the board met on an item I won
in closed session on the matter of the county of Humber versus Robert McKee no
action to report out of that close session and on I to my to the K.
The board met regarding potential oriented supported litigation there's no action
to report out of that close session as well thank you thank you and brings us
to our public appearance section of the meeting this is for items that are not on
the agenda have a sign up list with a three minute timer for speakers Charles L.C.N.
C.E.O.
. Chuck Sanchez got
resident. I came today to kind of continue
a conversation I had last week last night I was here. Not fan things to get people
aggravated but to just simply say some things that I see happen in one of the
things I have truth and reelection don't go together
a lot of truth since I can't get any of you to call me regarding my fifty years in
the field I come here what I think no one can know at all and
when I run across somebody that does know something I hang on to them learn
a little bit there's not much incentive for those with dirt in the fingernails to
get on committees they're all voted it's up to you folks on the local level to
point to these committees that no people know things I don't see it happening it's
kind of
a real bummer. Anyway
if your focus is Joyce who you put on it maybe. Some examples I gave you many years
ago the detractor Mitty's used to be on
a local level that's for strategic committees and they moved everything to
Sacramento. So many field folks like me we participated for
a while got about forty four foot high and many years ago we gave it up fancy going
down there and it's all for nothing. If.
I'm on
a project now and multiple agencies involved the people
involved the public agencies I don't know if they know what they're doing but
they're creating
a lot of things so I got to forget but I've learned over fifty years just thrown
away. My uncle was an old railroad guy talk about the north south railroad
he says all will get exemptions for all everything you want to do fill multiple
baths are going to be OK to do something whatever they want to do.
I told you last time that I was with
a no longer and he simply said to me when treated badly the first time we were
negotiating rates Shame on you and treated badly the second time shame on me for
allowing the bad to happen again. So if you don't get some more people on these
committees and know what's going on we can all plan to have
a lot less because that's what we're going to have thank you. Thank you.
Next is Bill Connors. Welcome. Good
afternoon my name is Bill Connors I live in the county. River way.
A while back I was reading an article in the paper December for on page two public
works looks to repair bill of bridge and I read this article and. I got to
the end of it and I had to read it again because I couldn't believe what I was
reading. And basically what it says is that the county put out
a press release saying that they had paid money for
a study to find out if this bridge what it would take for maintenance and what not
and it comes out that it's going to be three hundred ninety eight thousand dollars
to maintain it currently and because it's
a wooden bridge and all that kind of thing I'm assuming that it's going to have
future mate and it's issues and at the same time they're doing this there is
a federal grant to replace the bridge I don't get it. You know tax and
spend and so. Oh yeah
the memo said that there'd be
a greater financial return than replacing the nearly fifty year old bridge with
a more modern design I would like to ask you folks to go back to whoever put up
this first. Press Release memo and explain that how having
a free bridge from the feds beats repairing
a bridge with four hundred thousand dollars of our money. Thank you.
Thank you Nic speaker is Richard. My steam starts with an L.
.
I name it my name is Richard Laymon. See
how read I am Richard Lehman of Fortuna and I'm armed human rights commission for
District two At first I counted eleven highway deaths Captain Yeager of the
California Highway Patrol corrected me and said it was thirteen then it was
seventeen then one thousand nine hundred the last death may have been suicide
I have no statistics on collisions and injuries Humboldt County has of
a bad history of death and are on our roads we are ranked second in that in
California for counties of our population for traffic deaths and overpass
south of Fortuna has been built over Highway one hundred one where Highway thirty
six comes into it because so many people have been killed there one of
those killed was a supervisor for
a district true and overpasses is planned between
Eureka and Arcadia to make the safety zone even safer. There are now some
two dozen overpasses and under passes between Rio del and Highway two ninety
nine
a stone wall runs from south of Fortuna to south of Eureka to separate
north and southbound traffic the problem lies with drivers and pedestrians.
Almost every time I come I go to Eureka I see jaywalkers I saw two of
them today. Jaywalking isn't
a problem unfortunate as far as I can see however nine of the nineteen
deaths have occurred in the second district the second district has Highway one A
one thirty six and or owner of L.
Road a blinking yellow or red light is planned for
a deadly intersection on Rounder Ville road.
Highway thirty six winds through
a dense redwood forest the speed limit limits vary from thirty five
to fifty miles per hour we go out to Grizzly creek campground and have to pull off
the road now and then and let others pass too many people are in
a hurry to get somewhere
a recent sixty Minutes program discussed domestic uses of drones I
brought up drones to Captain Jaeger of the C.H.P.
And he said he had thought about them also drawn could watch our roads
and issue warnings on our tickets as required other counties use
roadside cameras cameras are used in other countries the Golden Gate Bridge sends
bills to users. We live in
a beautiful forested County with rivers beaches and dairy farms it should also be
a safe place to live thank you thank you expect your
is and as he waited.
Thank you my name is now as he weighed in I'm humble County resident I'm also
currently on the Human Rights Commission and last week he does ignited
a proclamation for the Human Rights Commission in this being human rights awareness
month. But the Jewish UN General Assembly proclaimed December tenth as human rights
awareness day and one nine hundred fifty to bring attention to the peoples of the
world the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as
a standard for all people the nations and today is December tenth so it is the
International Human Rights Day today and the commission chaired directed me to
discuss with
a supervisor who appointed me to the commission Virginia. The placement of
international human rights day on the board of supervisors agenda for today and the
commission wanted to put the item on the agenda so that anyone who might be
interested in sharing the importance of this day and the work they do locally in
concert with human rights could speak about their work and the global support for
it such as the end to torture violence against women and girls child abuse
discrimination and violations against indigenous peoples around the world many
political bodies set aside this day to hold events to educate and encourage
conversation regarding human rights issues that affect us all it's
a global day of participation so many groups spanning the globe come together in
solidarity such as the national religious campaign against torture and other
organizations throughout the world who are putting their focus on December tenth on
ending long term solitary confinement which is internationally condemned as torture
. It's important every day to recognize those working to make declarations of human
rights
a reality those who've been contributing so much unfortunately there was not room
on the agenda to provide this opportunity for local groups and organizations to
share with us what they do and how their work supports human rights let's do this
next year or at least let's talk about or have an event. That will help to
inform us all of the ways in which we can work with community to foster the reality
of universal human rights. Can I also speak as an individual person because I don't
want to speak as the Commission now this you just took your hat off OK. Thank you
so speaking now as a community member not
a commission member I'd like to share with you all
a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights last week you encouraged us all
to become familiar with and educate ourselves about the declaration so I'm offering
you each all of you a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also
a summary of it that's just voted on one page and
a poem that I wrote sometime back this year. It's the declaration.
Is essentially the poem that I wrote earlier of the gist of which is that together
we forge
a journey and solutions led by our vision to bring humanity and humanness into the
equation our ability to love in our compassion will stir the way recently we've
heard a lot and seen
a great deal on the life and legacy of Nelson Mandela his amazing love and
compassion he was a leader and
a bridge and his vision encouraged others to cross over that bridge and embrace
forgiveness and reconciliation together greater things were possible building
community and helping people this week we have seen
a very good example of this kind of love and compassion actualized in providing
support for the houseless and Southern Humboldt and beyond I can tell by your
agenda that there were other things happening asking you for extensions of
resources as well. Yes it takes smarts and resources to solve these issues but most
of all it takes heart and it takes community and I want to say thank you to Deborah
Kerry whose heart is so big and whose love for people is so strong as well as the
new wind fellowship down in southern humble Jim Paquin whose As you know from the
e-mails I've sent you has been diligent about chronicling homelessness in Humboldt
County for us the vets for peace and
a lot of other Southern humble Toure's like Paul and Cathy also want to thank
members of the Board of Supervisors for stepping up particularly supervisor bone
and for now. Good and especially those praying again all of you who are engaging
Human Services in Humboldt County to provide resources while allowing those in
community to lead. It's been
a vacation for me many times to come to the board and have the board say we can't
do this and I implored with and let community lead and you can follow and show us
how you can support as with the resources you have I'm thrilled I think this is the
one of the best examples I've seen in
a long time of working together and working in community letting community work
with you on solving
a problem so thank you very much it's appropriate for International Human Rights
Day for sure thank you. Next is mad Dick.
Either Good afternoon my name is Matt from Miranda after earning my degree in
natural resources I found employment as a G.I.
Specialist. We need to work together and take the initiative in regards to economic
prosperity and foreign mental secured the Federal Highway Administration has
required college trance to develop
a project to widen Highway one hundred one to Sta
a standard through Richardson Grove
a feasibility study was conducted in two thousand and one and three alternatives
were detailed with costs to put the highway to the east of Richardson Grove State
Park widening one hundred one through the grove was not recommended I am here to
bring attention to the arbitrary plans for this project because the F. H.
W.
Way could help fund this project and the more expensive alternatives to the East specifically
tree number sixty three and tree number sixty four between mile markers one point
four five and one point six five. This is directly adjacent to the visitor center
and can be viewed in Appendix B.
Photographs fifteen sixteen and seventeen. Of the final report and evaluation of
potential effects on old growth prepared by registered consulting arborist Dennis
is. OK
So treat number sixty three is on the west side of one hundred one tree number
sixty four is on the east side of want to one the distance between these two trees
is only twenty three and a half feet which I have measured myself the S.T.A.
a Regulation calls for twenty four feet to reinforce this narrow with you can see
many car door mirrors along the road all the time this is
a state park that our ancestors say for us. In one of the most protected
land designations our state can give this is not just
a repaving such as other projects they have done along the avenue of the
giants before lane highway one hundred one north and south of the grove obviously
shows the intention to make this
a four lane highway larger trucks and more traffic will make navigating into the
grove more difficult please do not let the F.H. W.A.
In culture and ruin our experiences at the state park and its amazing swimming
pools I hope you can do something to save our State Parks thank you.
Nic speakers Daniel Pierce.
And copy. Good afternoon supervisors
yours. I came to talk to you
a couple things the first for you why do you never give an Indian
a drink simple. You gotta charge him for it but no you charge it for
him you got to jump out the ball out and fill it with stuff you have in your
riverboat like lead mercury and corn oil from coal you know you poison the Indians
and then you wonder why they go crazy I mean they have studies now that show on the
Indians are actually come across from the from Russia were all the same thing the
only one you don't want to run your alcohol is the English because they don't fall
over when they drink but going on the other subject I'm talking about resolution.
Ninety four thirty five and I'm happy I have someone here from that was on Eureka
city council at one time and this deals with the jail and I bring your attention to
the second page item number two this says the county will assume responsibility for
funding design and installation signals at K.
Street in the initial action
a fourth and fifth Street the design and installation the singles will be in
accordance with the industry standards and design plans will be submitted to the
city engineer and the State Department Transportation for the review and in their
concern whatever prior to installation. This is K.
Street is where people are getting killed J.
Streets is where the jail is go there well how can you do your job when people that
you have working for you lie to you when the Director of Public Works comes up to
me and lies to me at the pub citizen how do you do with that I'm all mad because he
lied to me he said this is the justice system the justice bill is going to get Bill
he didn't know what paper I had in my hand it says plain as day the county is
responsible for putting lights out there on K.
Street white were this woman got killed no will share now is there any but search
out about well who is responsible we are so now in the county who is not doing
their job whose head needs to fall You people are in charge if people are lying to
me they're lying to you and if they're lying to you how can you do your job.
Thank you and that was the end of my sign that she is here anyone else.
And so Watsky thank you for the opportunity to speak. I got your hand out there and
I'm going to get
a few really quick time Standard editorial after the thing regarding Rex There are
certain things which I objected to start are our future won't plan itself I want
humble County to be known for fishing logging. In tribute it will be marketing
glasses aren't going but the mark marijuana street industry is here you have to
have your head in the sand to think it's going away and then it says Rex bone is
right so I just thought I'd say that the standard did did assert that I was
a little I don't know upset again same guy did an editorial cartoon a day and had
a picture of the billboard which I'd love to see removed or relocated but then he
had a picture of a chainsaw and used
a chain saw the things down years ago and I hope he's not insinuating that the way
to take care of this is for private people to go out on other people's property and
cut things down that's not the procedure to do it so I would leave that up to
interpretation I always enjoyed on the babe any years ago when we had all the
sculptures that were done with driftwood there were some really entertaining things
done out there and those were offensive to me they did block the view
a little bit but they they were entertaining in here I also have
a ways into this some of the letters of notification that were done last time in
the general plan update process and as was mentioned before these were sent out on
a Friday the soonest they would have been received was Monday or Tuesday and the
meeting was on Thursday so this is just an example of what was sent out two years
ago you know
a lot of people who have sold those properties so again I applaud your your
notification as far as that goes there are some other things here which which one
is a reservation of Rights which was done during the process that's
a stick so if you get
a chance to read that that starts where the stick was when I was irritated back
their. Definition of terms. I guess I'd start with one and you can
actually Google it it's on there called
a city it in my definition someone who comes up here waves their arms around
sometimes they come from humble state
a lot of times are well intentioned people but they don't quite understand the
local thing here and they frequently leave after some time serving in political
positions they get up and leave and we're left with what's left afterwards the
other definition would be someone who lives in
a glass house and throws rocks I don't know what explain someone to live in
a glass house and throw rocks I don't think it's
a wise thing to do someone said it made me long term T.H.C.
Impairment just not quite getting it don't don't know what the reason would be for
throwing rocks when you live in a glass house so that's
a definition so we the other one we had the other day was basically when you have
a working relationship with the coach which is backroom Chicago deals favoritism
and things like that so we have three definitions now which possibly we used today
so I don't know where that goes thank you for the opportunity to speak. Thank you
seriously but he also would like to speak during public comment.
Was office. I just wanted to respond to Mr Connor's question an unfortunate looks
like he's taken off at this point but I did just want to let him know case he's
listening or something that I'd be happy to give him
a copy of the report concerning the Brooklyn Bridge and to speak about that so.
Thanks for getting Tillman. OK. That will move us on
to our afternoon public hearings I'm going to few of them here first one is the HOW
person Cory reclamation plan appeal. Tractor Hamblin.
Thank you as you know this item was a an appeal from
a planning commission decision that came to you to. Reinstate this reclamation plan
and it came to you once before and was postponed into this meeting with that I'd
like to turn time to Michael Wheeler for
a staff report. Thank
you Kevin Mr Chair members of the board I'm Michael Wheeler the assigned planner
for this project and I have
a Power Point presentation for you here. By
way of background the project was first heard by the Commission on January third
two thousand and thirteen and again on May second two thousand and thirteen and the
commission voted six one to certify the negative declaration and approve the
reclamation plan approval of the updated reclamation plan and
financial surance only as what the project is and you know a determination of
a vested right for annual extraction was made by the board on September fourth one
thousand nine hundred money no operations or related issues are not within the
scope of the current review and there is
a spirit court judgment on the vested rights and agreement on limitations of
Alderson Corey. As far as the appeal goes on May fourteenth two thousand and
fourteen Hummel Baykeeper in California trout. Submitted an appeal the appellant's
requested five changes to buying commission action proving how we're seeing Corey
reclamation plan the people issues are one revise the wreck plan to include
a complete erosion and sediment control plan to provide documentation of water
quality permits three revise the mitigated negative declaration for require
independent water quality testing and five incorporate Texans for bald eagles. You
know I'll get in each of those but first I'd like to talk about
a joint site inspection that I did with the Regional Water Quality Control Board
Polk here in our Smar inspector on January twenty fifth this is after a grain for
a couple days. We reviewed the adequacy and functionality of the storm water
retention and best mantra practices for storm water management onsite and I just
have some slides here. Of the site inspection that's the core of the active Cory
face you see right there above the trucks. And this is the drainage pipe going into
one of the sediment ation ponds some of the check dams along. The drainage channel
that runs along the north side of rocky treat road this is some sedimentation
control measures on the floor of the active quarry working area.
And another check dam so synopsis of the site visit and this is after we conferred
with regional water quality and some are inspector is that the separate patient
Ponsonby employees were found to be functioning properly in appropriate for the
site original water quality had some minor suggestions for making the best
management practices more permanent So what was the project before the Commission
as I mentioned it was approval of the reclamation plan and financial surance cost
estimates for the continued quarry operation and other aspects of the mining
operation were not within the scope of the project the mining operations and sells
are conducted under
a vested rights determination as modified by the term of the stipulated judgment.
You know to get to the appeal issues the first was doing clue to complete
sedimentation erosion control plan in terms of staff response to that
a storm water pollution prevention plan are segmentation erosion control plan is
contained within the body of the house and Cory reclamation plan and there are some
citations there where it can be found. Another issue that dependence brought up was
that the vested right covers five acres and the total disturbed land compassed one
point three two acres and drainage calculations based on an active mining area of
only zero point seven five eight acres in terms of staff response to this staff
agrees that it is appropriate to fix the size of the active mining area at zero
point seven five eight until revised Gratian of the sizing of that settlement
Taishan. Basins. Another issue that was brought up.
That of water quality testing. This one staff further recommended an
additional condition of approval for water quality testing yes this was
a previous condition that was in the original reclamation plan approval but it was
never fully carried out so we've added that as
a condition for the current recommendation plan to measure tributed instance
suspended sediments and this would be above and below the core.
The appellant also argues that upon completion of work at the quarry the berm
should be removed we researched that issue the berm was required as
a condition before of the one nine hundred ninety three approval of the original
Extreme reclamation plan and the applicant argues that removing the berm would be
detrimental as it separates the existing logging road from Rocky Creek. Staff
response to that issue was that the applicant hasn't provided any mechanism for
maintenance of the following station of mining so the staff recommendation is and
this is an additional condition of approval. States that the applicant must apply
for
a special permit in order to retain the bar. It don't raise concerns
regarding the geographic extent of mining in staff reviewed that issue the
appellant's figure for showed an outdated sheet C two thirty VI sheets U two is
included in
a staff report for the Planning Commission and the board and shows the site is
contained within eastern PA property boundaries. And the pill in argues that the
applicant failed to follow up on resource agency biological comments staff reviewed
that issue as well the biological comments were addressed through revision of the
reclamation plan versus providing
a separate report on them and it included discussion of bald eagles in their red
lake as frogs and the citations are there for. Discussion. It also argued that
the grading plant has
a naturally steep slopes. After response to that was that the final slopes in
a reclamation plan were viewed by the Office of mine reclamation. Department fish
and wildlife in
a region of water quality and no agencies expressed concerns Smar allows for
exceeding two to one slopes with review by an engineering geologist and in some
cases it makes sense if there is like
a sheer rock face that is to remain You just can't reclaim that
and the applicant argued that the financial services cannot be established because
it is difficult to assess revegetation requirements and staff response to that was
that
a planting plan was included with the reclamation plan and was reviewed right resources
agencies including the office of mine reclamation Department official wildlife and
so on and no agencies identified any further issues. Finally nesting
Bald Eagles require special regard was. A concern it was expressed by the
appellants and condition
a seventeen was revised in response to that concern by the Planning Commission in
their discussions regarding the presence of bald eagles the recognition plan does
have extensive discussion about eagles in the reclamation plant and the appeal by
the appellants or submitted to an reviewed by the Office of minor reclamation
Department official model life and U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service and no agencies offered any further comment So in summary
the appellant's conclusion points in staff response. Number one was the the
applicant should revise the record plan to comply with smart Omark guidance to
include a complete stormwater pollution prevention plan staff disagrees
a settlement Taishan and erosion control plan is embodied in the reclamation plan.
The applicant should provide documentation of appropriate water quality permits
staff agrees and I reiterate some requirements that are contained in the original
conditions of approval and also the current reclamation plan conditions of provable
included Mungo's is that if the if the operation becomes
a commercial mining operation then they would need to get an industrial stormwater
permit from regional water quality in the third issue county should revise it the
mitigated negative declaration. Daft disagrees there nor new impacts that have been
discovered which need to be addressed in the mitigate negative declaration.
Appellants fourth issue independent water quality testing and Rocky create should
be required and as I mentioned staff agrees and recommends that in this as
a requirement and condition of approval number twenty one. And finally production
for bald eagle should be clearly specified. Staff partially agrees new language for
protection of potentially nesting sensitive nesting birds species has been added by
the Planning Commission and condition of approval number seventeen and that's my
short version of the staff report I have an additional fourteen slides that go into
the appended appeal issues that were submitted by the appellants. Are we can hold
off on those and you can go to directly discussion and public comment and we can go
into those individually if you want me to speak to those. Open the public
hearing and then at this time if any board member seventy ex parte communications
can. Go into that now surprise us thank you Mr Chair Thank you for bringing that up
because I wrote that down I did meet at the site with both de Janeiro and Ryan
Schneider and looked at the area and I also met with Jessica Hall and Jen cult.
That was in the office here where they discussed their concerns expressed by.
I've been up to the site over the last thirty years doing worst times both for work
and then recently during the last storm occurs and. In September and then I've also
talked with Dave Schneider and Ryan Schneider just very shortly because I and then
I also talked with Mike elves because of the new assessment I want to make sure.
They there are pictures of destruction going out of there and I want to get
a description of why that was happening and and I did so and I've got
a question from Michael too when you when you're based on. The first panel you know
he said this. Meeting the first time we had
a meeting on his or the last meeting that I also had visited the quarry site prior
to that meeting two or three of us. Prior to our
previous hearing I did have
a site visit with Mr Schneider. To be able to tour the site asked some questions
look at some of the measures that were described in the staff report also met with
Jennifer calling Jessica all of Baykeeper at that time since that hearing and just
pointed out
a follow up conversation with. Jennifer called regarding. Some of the supplemental
information that they put forward and simply around the question it's admissibility
into this so. I don't have any.
OK. Through. And Michael I asked you yesterday have we have
a what approximately one hundred night and we have or had
a reclamation plant appeal before I know you were going to check into it I thought
. I don't know of any that has been filled independently of. The Conditional Use
permanent or surface mining permits might go along with
a recommendation plan just as sole appeal of regulation plan I don't know of any
great thank you. Can or want to come speak today.
Welcome.
Chairman supervisors My name is Dave Schneider I'm actually the trustee for the
lamb that the where we are on first of all thank you supervisors who went out there
and reviewed and I know some of you went out there in adverse conditions and look
at all right. Very much I'd like to go back
a little bit on the history because there are some points that are very important
about this Querrey OK first of all the quarry was activated in the one nine hundred
forty S.
It's been an active poor proximately seventy years in this area it at one time was
ran by the county of humble and ran by several contractors in our area as well as
my son most recently or provided materials from county roads she I.D.'s
A lot of. Infrastructure here within the county over the past seven years.
As pointed out by supervisor this Querrey this quote is about two acres of active
areas probably the smallest square you have in your inventory of of one hundred
nine. Reclamation plans and so it's not
a very big quarry like where we standards. In one thousand nine hundred eighty
the quarry was granted a vested right now vested right is eighty terminations
a terminations made by the planar Rector approved by the Planning Commission and
then approved by the Board of Supervisors at that time that this is
a operation that has been ongoing since the one nine hundred forty S.
And it's guaranteed
a right to continue that operation. OK And then in one nine hundred ninety three
a reclamation plan was approved for the quarry now you've got to
understand where this reclamation plant and what were the guidelines that made all
of a sudden we have to do a regulation much
a reclamation plan is governed by some era OK which was an act passed in one nine
hundred seventy six which govern Querrey Zimmer's and the act was mostly
designed for the coal mine and activities in the in the Midwest where you had these
big open pit mines and they were just left and not were reclaimed Well the
reclamation plan is the project OK the
Act requires you that once you're done with the mine to reclaim the land and
you have to prove financial surance is during the lifetime of the corps that you
can't do this. Bad is the project not until twenty
twenty five you implement that project those guidelines in the meantime are not
operational things for the quarry. We have been placed
a lot of those things they go back and look at our reclamation plan and say Oh you
did meet the you didn't do this you didn't do that we haven't closed this query
we're not required to do any of that into this reclamation plan was implemented
so that's a that's
a misnomer. Let's say and
but staff report points out OK Listen this is only for the reclamation plan
financial assurances OK something is going to be implemented in two thousand and
twenty five unless we extend it. Let's take
a look at the appeal OK first of all we have one hundred nine queries with
reclamation plans we get an appeal on
a two acre Querrey Come on why why why why is this happening
OK. First of all this query is integration of about
a thousand acres there's logging that occurs on hundred acres clearcut logging
landings that are twice as big as a square
a site why why aren't we doing anything about that because the appellate
those logging trucks are not going by the Province House the appellant of this case
lives right on this road he bought his property. After two thousand
they subdivided the property build in
a couple acres of wetlands built built some homes on it built the homes and in the
buffer zone and now they're concerned about this current square it has been there
seven years I mean holy smokes
a bald eagle is building as nest up in the tree and doesn't bother the bald eagle
has come in subsequent to the I wish these people had not built their nests there
too. Anyway there are
a lot of other things that. That happened around this quarry that that pointed to
why OK why are they only appealing this it's is because they don't want this square
in operation next to their own. And it came in all of their appealing things cover
operational things. On the Korea itself they're not allowed to do that folks it
only the only thing before you is
a reclamation plan in the financial assurances you can't go back and say well we
want you to monitor the creek has nothing to do with the reclamation plan so
consequently we don't we don't want any additional things put on this reclamation
plan if you have something to say about that the plan itself the two pages of the
plan that that governs the plan will look at it but all of these items on this on
this appeal do not apply to the commission. They apply to the operation. Which is
allowed it has best right for me so I want to go over each one of these.
Ones that is on the appeal with you. Supervisor bonus your question
first substantially better than it was it below where when you bought the property
that there was
a rush or it was due diligence done with it was there where there was
a rock quarry up there all the apparent we saw the property of all of them. Who
brought
a piece of property subdivided it and he has convince Baykeeper you know that they
should be involved in this you know they were it's in the public report that the
quarry was up there.
Most of the things the conditional things like. Getting approval from water quality
getting approval from Fish and Game getting these sort of things are those agencies
Yes we will at the point when we implement the retro mation plan we'll probably
have to touch base with those people this is only
a plan for when we go subsequent to our mining go in and reclaim the land OK
There was one comment in the appeal that is valid OK where they say only local
Navy plant species She'll be used in the reclamation plan with the plan yeah we'll
entertain that that's what that's about it comment OK but then you don't want the
drainage that range area calculations if you have any questions on that as the
engineer is here he be glad to address those those things I think it's just
a mere fact that Baykeeper in your post don't understand summarily they don't
understand the regulations and how these how these are done so we can address those
. Rocket kick shall be measured for tribute to the person.
Your staff should not be going into water quality things water quality is the
expert there is our license people they know what they're doing of if if we need
a water quality from it believe me they've been up there quite
a few times they're going to tell us Hey listen here's a citation get
a water quality permit and they have been up there
a lot but they've never said that to us so no we're not interested in testing the
turbidity of the water for our ongoing mining coring operation there's nothing to
do with our. Reclamation plant
the berm that exist alongside the road there the Burma existed prior to nine
hundred seventy six it was put in there in the forty's to keep the creek from going
where. Reclamation plans under some merit in the think prior to nine hundred
seventy six does not have to be reclaimed and does not the be addressed in
a reclamation way that's under Section twenty seven seventy six of us America Act
So. The berm we don't plan on taking the berm out there's there's
a liability issue there if the county requires us to do it you will be the one
that's going to be liable because that creek could flood could go down the road
could flood up the county road could flood out the homes that have been built in
the creek below it so we're not really interested in taking the berm out much you
want to explain and responsibility.
And and that's step pointed out all of the agencies that looked at this plan
all of the agencies look just plan again at the appeals. To the plan
none of them responded to the appeal. Because the items that were brought up on the
people really didn't like. The division of mines in geology looked at the plan
wrote
a letter saying yeah the plants fine folks. We're the ones who wrote the act we
know what's required in it the planets upon all the other agencies have been up
there several times to look at the very. Were not for amending anything that the
Planning Commission did and you must understand these conditions do not go into
effect until this mine the shutdown and the questions
C.B.S. Come on I have
a question for Steph actually on what you said here regarding that very point if
this is
a reclamation plan. Can you respond to Mr Schneider's
. Point some of these conditions. Additional
conditions should not apply meat dish no condition I'm that I'm concerned with or
that I'm aware of is that the turbidity measurement and I understood that that was
an original condition on the one nine hundred ninety three reclamation plan it was
just restated in this plan.
You gotta understand it doesn't matter if it was in or not the plan is not
implemented until the core is shut down OK so there was no while ation
of that plan and we're it's not it's not this Corey has that ten
thousand or fifteen thousand dollar financial assure. You no longer going to take
the reclaim describe it upon those estimates maybe
a week you know you're not going to do it and we're so monitoring the creek for
a week during the summer it's it's not something. Commie staff should be
involved with. The experts are water already it the monitor what are we marching
for triggered Where are the standards what what parts per million do you want to
see is that background never is just
a moot condition. If I may I didn't indicate there
was
a violation of the planet all I certainly understand in fact staff has been the one
that has argued at the Planning Commission to try to keep the issue separate versus
the operation of the quarry and the plan this is truly the plan that's before you
that's correct the I didn't indication I didn't indicate there was any violation I
just indicated that they the additional condition that we're talking about was
a continuation of
a condition approved on the ninety three plan. As friends or foe so for
clarification then basically that condition applies at the time of recommendation
not to date not doing operational correct as part of the plan. QUESTION It's
OK to. Speak.
Good afternoon my name is Derek the north coast director for California trout the
appeal in this case appreciate the opportunity to address you and express our
perspective on our issues regarding this this project and our appeal I want to
acknowledge the great job that Mr Wheeler did in laying out the issues first of all
our appeal issues and then the county's response to them. And I think that you
can see from that that the projects been dramatically approved in response to the
appeal that we submitted if you think through the list of the issues we raised in
the counties response to then you will note that many of those points were agreed
to by the county staff and they were adopted into the project so when we walked
away from the Planning Commission hearing in which it was approved and were left
with that prior inferior project we felt compelled to heal and raise these issues
and I think that the revised conditions are
a testament to the validity of our claims and acknowledgement that our appeal has
been necessary to make the project conform with state law we're dealing with
several state laws here including sequin the surface mining and reclamation Act and
the Puerto clone Water Quality Control Act as part of this project or not just
looking at
a reclamation plan or looking at sequel approval of that plan and the conditions
that are placed on it by those state laws OK so it's
a little bit bigger than the. Proponent is suggesting to you. Given
your acknowledgment of those points that we've raised there's one fundamental point
that remains under arrest and this is the requirement for the operator to obtain an
industrial general permit. Repair storm water pollution prevention plan and
a medication monitoring plan as required by state law this requirement has
expressed been expressed to the county staff numerous times in our letters
expressed by the Office of mining and reclamation and it's also been expressed by
the Regional Water Quality Control Board and I wanted to walk you through
a couple of those suggestions in an e-mail and also in field visits from Mr Paul
Kiran who's the Regional Water Quality Control Board in staff engineer. He states
in this email the regional water board requires that the quarries that both
discharge to state waters and sell products commercially must obtain
a regional water board industrial general permit for stormwater discharge prior to
initiation of quarry activities not recall nation activities hoary activities.
May thirtieth of two thousand and thirteen. That was addressed to.
To Karen Merkel. There's also an
internal letter that was shared by Steve Warner of the staff planning department
staff to Mr Wheeler in which piece in which he asked in this email were any of the
monitoring and reporting requirements of the original in one thousand nine hundred
three stat make one thousand nine hundred three reclamation plan satisfied and if
so do we have this documentation and I haven't seen that documentation perhaps the
staff has the other question he asked was were the required stormwater permit and
stormwater pollution prevention plan obtained so the staff our knowledge and the
requirement for this permit and it's not been obtained. There's also an issue about
whether or not it's required for personal versus commercial use and I wanted to
address that briefly I don't know if you have the reclamation planets. Health in
front of you but on page four of the reclamation plan part two general mining
operation information states mind mineral commodities the principal mineral
commodity to be mined and sold at the however some quarries great stone so that the
reclamation plan itself states the intent to mine and commercially sell this
product in here so if that's not the case if it's only going to be used for
personal use and not for commercial use then obviously you need to revise the
reclamation plan to express that otherwise this is what we have as the project in
front of us to respond to nothing else and it states clearly the commercial intent
in here.
The staffs response to our issues was to deny our appeal or question number two
which was that this storm our pollution prevention plan be required as it's already
a condition of approval so it's already
a condition of approval and how can you approve the project without having it
without it having been met I don't understand how it can be
a condition of approval of the reclamation plan it's not met and yet the staff is
recommending and you're going to take
a vote today to approve this plan. I haven't got an answer to that question yet.
In addition we've provided you recent evidence that the Corrie has been and will
continue to be selling rock on the commercial market and this is recent information
that we've submitted to the county in
a complaint form demonstrating with photographic evidence that there are trucks
coming in and out of the quarry and it's being used for commercial reasons I've
gotten a call recently from anonymously from
a gentleman in the region who's in the trade and he also expressed to me that this
is widely known that the core Iraq is being sold to Aus roofing Alva's as
reprocessing or whatever and selling it on to the market and there's an ad for it
in the whole billers exchange so. These points maybe addressed separately from
this hearing today but it will be very interested to see how the county response to
this and I want to make clear that you need to go beyond asking the proponent
whether or not he's operating commercially that when you investigate the quote
unquote validity of our allegations you need to do
a little bit more explain exploration then just asking the proponent as well well
just and just so you know I did ask the proponent about that I asked the owner of
Alf's ruffing and paving and he said he was processing the rock. Because
they couldn't take the processor on the site because it was too small and then he
was giving it back to and then also the ad says he's selling quarry rock but it
doesn't say it's coming from it doesn't say what Corey and I know that Mr Snyder
owns dump trucks which can actually haul from multiple quarry so and then the other
factor here and I mean when you're the anonymous you know tip I mean there's I can
imagine you know I mean that that doesn't carry much weight but I mean it didn't
just go from the proponent I did follow up and talk to the man who employs fifty
people in Arcadia and he said that's what he was dealing with and I will take him
at his word. The reason I raise that issue is because all of the other operators in
the region are required to conform with the state laws and get the permits and for
some reason in this case the county isn't requiring them to obtain this permit and
I'm really fixated on that industrial stormwater pollution prevention plan for the
National Journal permitting the pollution prevention plan needs to be in place in
order for this operation to proceed and my last point. And I've been reminded by
the county at these hearings that this is only the recommendation plan and not the
operations. Of. The quarry and I'd like to ask why then when the county received
a letter regarding my property subdivision which was approved by the county.
And allegations made by the applicant in that letter. That are false and
derogatory that that letter is placed on the county website as part of the record
of this project I did I don't understand that I think it's pretty unethical and
it's biased that you would do that and I think it's unnecessary has nothing to do
with this reclamation plant hearing or the issues and requests that you remove it
from your public records so I have saved. OK.
I see standing back there also are you coming. I think you
Jennifer call representing Baykeeper. Two things I just want to
clarify that. When I took the photographs of the rock being delivered to roofing I
spoke to the truck driver and I asked him where the core Iraq was coming from and
what they were going to use it for and he said base rock for projects and then my
cows came out and spoke to me and. It's
a significantly different story than what you're saying and I realize this isn't
a court of law but I would you know sign
a declaration or whatever it takes to to you know swear that I am telling
the truth that Michaele's told me amongst many other things he was buying the rock
from night or from the Korean base that they were going to use it for various
projects and that they had no more standing inventory because of all the dry
weather they've been using
a lot of their standing inventory so they were just buying it to have on site for
the winter and. You know it's
a very different story and you know the reason that we fixated on this commercial
versus personal use is. You know the claim that they only need.
Industrial general permit to protect the water quality from storm water runoff if
it's for commercial use however I actually Well Aaron said the reclamation
plan states specifically that in the project description the ream the portion of
the stone aggregate products generated at the whole person Corey will be utilized
by the landowner for road maintenance and erosion control of the remaining mined
resources will be sold for use in projects throughout the surrounding area and you
know. I just want to make it really clear that I realize as someone who.
Works to protect water quality and fish habitat and you know I do
a lot of botanical surveys for fish restoration projects and so I see the value in
the decommissioning projects the storm proofing of the roads they need
a lot of rock for those projects and we're not trying to shut down the Cory we are
trying to ensure that the proper permits and proper steps are taken and it's not
just about permits it's what the permits require to protect the water quality of
Rocky Creek which is
a co-host bearing stream and to protect the fish habitat which over
a million dollars of public funding has gone into restoring this fish habitat for
coho And you know like other Cory operators they all get their
N.P.T.'s permits. My read of the requirement for the N.P.T.'s permit is that it's
required for active or idle mines this is an idle mine according to some are poured
into office of mines and geology this is listed as an idle mine and yet they're
selling there are. And the other thing is the industrial
general permit is is not based on whether it's personal and commercial use it's
required by smart which the county is the lead agency for. Getting the
required Water Quality Control Board permits in place as
a requirement as your your lead agency role under Smar so.
You know we appreciate the all the additions as
a lot of these things could have been handled at the Planning Commission hearings
but they weren't and that was unfortunate. We're asking you to to require this
water quality permit as an additional condition because of the secret process that
you're required to follow so. Thank you and I could ask any questions if you
have any. All the same
request were made I just happened to be here till one o'clock that night all the
same requests were made at the Planning Commission hearing before they voted also
right yes yes they were they were made out to planning commission hearing and they
were and pretty better to know it's very common that we work with staff at the
staff level right submitting comments and and staff will incorporate changes that
is what I believe is the point of the secret process is to have public review and
input so that people with expertise and concerns can come forward and improve the
projects and that's really the heart of it the company doesn't have fisheries
biologist on staff or any by all the just and certainly. Can use input and in
those areas I think it's safe to say that the
Planning Commission relies heavily on the staff but also on input from experts and
other agencies as well as the public because the Planning Commission itself. They
can't be experts in you know five different laws that concern one
project when they have five projects every month they have to review so I think
this could have been done
a lot better all around and hope that you. Do your best to protect Rocky Creek
coho that are coming back to it thank you thank you. Is there any public
comments for this item. Welcome Tina Christianson I'd just like to say
I was in the military involved with the sale of these properties and now that
proper notification was given. The other issues
a lot of the rock that was used out of Rocky out of that Corey was
used for base on most of the roads in that area and you now I think that
this is
a real he said she said because if that if what David is
saying is true and I had not
a conversation with David before I came here so this is news to me. You know that
the permit was taken out seventy years ago and that you're looking at something
that's going to happen he's not going to be alive and twenty twenty five you know.
What I mean maybe. I mean you're you're prejudging
something for twenty twenty five that's already been set and approved you have you
have a situation that we deal with all the time in real estate you have
a neighbor that's unhappy and you're trying to protect the neighbor as good as you
can but if there's
a permit there they knew that that permit was there that Korea has been there so
thank you. Thank you. Welcome.
Checks and showed good resident I took
a look at your agenda so I thought I'd stick around. I'm not officially biologist
I'm a far P.F.
Forester my background I've been involved in
a lot of fishery studies little river. I've followed the case up north
where the wild fish thing in the judge ruled that whatever that's going to come
later. I've been
studying the matter fascist fish at three I want to harp on the experience thing
I've already done that. But you didn't rely on staff staff is missing
a lot of experience. One of the things I think gets missed in all this you're
getting
a taste of it all the regulators that are involved in such it's not like this
forestry you wouldn't say more. Significance
significance the expert input will tell you the significance of whatever's going on
is this a big deal
a little deal and you've got all these agencies watching over it and it's like I
told you I'm involved with the project but there you would believe this is nothing
compared to what they're going to forget so significance I just hope you keep that
in mind they have to prove there's actual damage before you stop these folks anyway
that's all thanks. Thank you welcome.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Before I made a comment and
a credit Debra Nelson with his expertise in the planning partment Planning
Commission was basically based upon a picture's worth a thousand words on
a site visit worth a thousand pictures so I did
a site visit I got permission from Mr Schneider to go up there and I walked around
a little bit and there's all kinds of assertions as far as what's going on there.
And so I got out and walked around in and. When I talk there was
a lot split there and this is
a working relationship lot split. The lot split the house is constructed on clearly
what was Phil as far as I can tell had been asserted and it asserted came from them
from the mining site and it's I don't know how the heck they ever put that as far
as I looked at the maps it's do managers wetlands so I guess this is an official
request that we go back and find out why this working relationship allowed this so
subdivision at all because there isn't an apparent building site there it was
created. I don't have
a clue who signed off on this engine hearing wise for that lot split. This is just
this one big can of worms there was an assertion one of the neighbors down there or
allegedly remember the tree house thing well there's
a big barn sitting right beside the critter and someone said well they're they're
moving from their house and they're moving into that barn obviously with no permit
so we were going to need some serious investigation from the building department
down in that area I did go down and I think it's
a very nice bridge thirty eight thousand dollars I called Kernan and drove down to
the bridge it was no no no trespassing signs that I figured since it was
a million dollar project they probably had to give it right away to get to the
crick I seen that happen and then I went down and I looked at the other down below
there is
a corporate that went underneath the main road there were old arcade road and it
was totally constricted I seriously hope that they are generating fish and I I
would like to see the how many thousands of fish that habitat is improved by I'm
sure that before they put a million dollars Why do we have a million fish
a year coming in there is a dollar
a fish or what is it so there are serious concerns I'm not sure that this wasn't
washing of this appeared to be
a potential misappropriation I don't know it's something needs to be investigated
it was this bridge necessary without fixing the other culverts that impact the area
did somebody benefit from
a large million dollar project personally in this issue it's again it's what I
talked about a little why someone in
a glass house throwing rocks so it's I'm going to formally request that we will
invest. Gate as
a county what went on in that lot split what went on as far as that development
goes it it's
a Makes no sense and I totally agree it's it's the city it's come here and they
want to stop it they want to have there's nobody else have it and yet. Clearly took
a seven and a half acre lot and split it down and sold it off so if you have
a developer here who is protecting this person about his life THANK YOU THANK YOU
India their public comments. Welcome
problem at three minutes. It is Monte Pro Bowl. I'm familiar with
Cal trout and I'm
a familiar with what they do in the Sierras They've been some great things I mean
really good things and they pride themselves on basing everything on science and
being able to back up what they say and I'm just wondering if the directors down
south understand what the representative of the north coast is doing. To benefit
himself essentially he's manipulated this whole thing to get a bridge in
a subdivided property Everything's to benefit himself and he's from got Bay keepers
involved now and it. Just doesn't look right
and you know like worse like we're saying it's the smallest little Corey and all
of
a sudden it's been that the only thing it has in common is the neighbor. I
snuck under the were around the gate and went up and took
a look at this creek and I've been crying climbed up creeks ever since I was about
three years old and humble County. And this is a nice crib this is
a rocky creek this beautiful crib and I think the only thing muddy around here is
caltrops reputation if something like this goes through Thank you. Thank
you in the other public comments.
We've. OK. The problem of
any questions from the board. Twice over this I think I would just like to
make
a comment about. Trying to constrain the discussion on this and that has been
pointed out this is
a discussion of Reclamation plan and whatever may or may not have gone on between
neighbors previously aspects of you know. Residential parcels or any of that.
Doesn't affect the issues that we have before us and that whatever
and that's just not the issue that we have in front of us as strings and.
Whether those separate issues are valid or not which we're not in
a position to be able to judge here today doesn't affect. The facts that we have
regarding the reclamation plan itself and so I feel like this is just been kind of
drifting and. I just want to state that I think we need to stay
focused on what we have in front of us because other things don't affect the
validity of what we're looking at.
I did. Just because I'm nosy I talked to the property owner on the west side of
alder Kate
a road where Rocky Creek actually dumps into and they have said as far sedimentation
and working relationships with the Korean in the future have been more than
positive they haven't noticed any extreme sedimentation over the years.
Before the reclamation before the project and after the project and I agree with
Mark on the staying focused but we have to realize that you know we have culture
being recognized but the but and and Deron admitted last M.M.
He owns the property that this all runs through and all the things that we have to
that I don't think they're wavering I think they're just trying to make the point
is
a point was made that Cal trout are terror and I'm not sure who owns the property where
the bridge was put in and the wetlands were feel like I was surprised when I went
back up there because I'd been up there for twelve years that that whole would be
north side of rocky creek have been filled in and there were structures built about
it so that caught me off guard right off the get go when we're worried about the
setback so I was surprised to see that but I stay focused on it yes but I mean that
is part of the conversation about what is happening there so. It was kind of.
OK So back to the issue at hand the reclamation plan. Mr Schneider
talked about the be in place before nine hundred seventy six so
how. Strongly do you feel about keeping that requirement in. That it be
removed since he says that he's concerned about the impact on the neighborhood
flooding etc If that were to be come about as I mentioned the bird was
a requirement of the one nine hundred ninety three your approval in order to make
sure the. Mining operations area was adequately separated from
Rocky Creek there may have been some form there prior to that but it was
a condition of one thousand nine hundred three and we don't have
a problem if they want to keep the berm we just didn't need that after mining is
after cessation of mining they would need to come in for
a special permit because that's what we would normally require If someone wants to
put
a burn ministry inside management. But. As part of the reclamation his
so his concern is that it would actually ruin the neighborhood potentially flood
etc. The
so the special permit you refer to would be as if he were putting in
a berm that had nothing to do with his prior reclamation plan right if the
berm is no longer
a part of the SMAR operation then it would have to stand alone into stand alone
special. Could I ask
a question of Mr Schneider on that regard.
So Mr Schneider. Mr Wheeler says that he. Was
a part of the nine hundred ninety three plan but you're saying as I understand it
it was there before that is that correct but the Berman has existed prior so
America and if you look at some merit the act itself it says that anything that
existed prior to the act is not required to be reclaimed. OK it's not
a requirement of the record actually all the mining area that it was mined prior to
the act is not
a requirement of. The applicant to reclaim that area so this area this berm that
existed there prior to seventy six was there to protect the road was not part of
the mine it was just something that was placed there should not be in the
regulation plan. OK While I have the
opportunity you have to. The fact that the project is the reclamation
plan and implementation and movement Taishan of the reclamation plan monitoring the
creek is not part of the reclamation. It is a it is
a operational thing so if you say if you put that in there then you're putting an
operational thing into the monitoring plan or into the reclamation plan which is
as supervisor level said these are two different things don't put the monitoring in
because if they expect us to start monitoring that creek it won't get done until
the. Reclamation is implemented.
It was about. As best I think Mr Darcy is going to
follow up on the berm question a supervisor found
a lost most of my. Don't worry I think you're OK right now but I just want to know
where you are in case I needed you. It's going to staff I had
a question I asked staff what do we think is going to be involved in twenty twenty
five years
a special permit for the berm I mean is. You know if you're trying to
act you're trying to guess I mean we're telling someone they need to get
a special permit and to me that kind of like frightening to put that in because who
knows what
a special permits going to look like in the year. Is there song in the year twenty
five you know the. Not quite that far from now that.
Through the chair Steve Warner is rising planner. The permit requirements and their
especial permit involve referring this to Fish and Game Fish and Wildlife now and
other agencies I believe they did make comments about the Burma reclamation in the
plan especially with they were looking at was pulling any overburden making the
slope less severe and perhaps they might ask for some revenge station so those are
the types of things that
a special permit might engender if the berm is to remain and it seems like that
would be some things fish and wildlife have generally supported at least in the
comments on the project so far.
Well all the burning questions answered I'd like to make
a motion to deny the deal and its totality and uphold the plan the commission's
ruling. And second I can express love us.
I just still have some questions I hope to be able to ask. So.
The. The monitoring question some of the other questions
regardless you get into. Kind of
a chicken and the egg kind of thing you know we're proving
a reclamation plan which the reclamation would happen after you have the conclusion
of Tory activities at some point future. But. You know there's
other. There's
a connection to the activities that happened in the meantime and in fact that
comments that were received from the region water board I think there was
a reference to at the August two thousand and ten letter. Titled comments on
proposed reclamation plan states the following permits may be required for this
project industrial stormwater permit. And.
Construction general stormwater permit says land disturbances on projects of one
acre or more require coverage under the construction general stormwater permit if
the disturbance will be one acre or more the owner of the property will need to
apply for coverage under this permit prior to the commencement activities and this
permit requires the preparation and implementation of
a storm water pollution prevention plan so there is
a certain nexus there and our role in terms of the reclamation plan and considering
that is. Something that I'm. Curious about
here there's also as far as that aspect. One acre or
more going back to the permit itself the permit application itself.
Sorry this is
a very lengthy attachment here have to scroll through until I see it jump out at me
. But.
There is
a statement in here about the intent to expand the quarry size up to the maximum
five acres. And
a lot in fact in that same statement about that the intent is. Stone
for sale so it's hard to read that and not conclude that this is intended to be
a commercial operation and that the site is to be sorry I'm still trying to find
that one reference and here. But. Here we go
number of acres to be reclaimed at present the total size of Lance acquiring
reclamation upon the cessation of mining operations is one point three two acres
which would be greater than one acre and that's would. Seems like that would. Kick
in that other requirement. And. It also
notes that. Sufficient financial resources are in place provide for the reclamation
of maximum permitted mine area of five acres so it is referring to the maximum size
of five acres. And it also notes.
While the total disturb lands at the quarry site presently encompass only one point
three two acres which is not the point seventy two point seventy five reference
before this reclamation plant continues to maintain adequate provisions. For the
quarry size to increase as necessary to the previously permitted limit of five
acres so I'm trying to just seeking some explanation from staff of how we're.
Supposed to you know the language here doesn't address this as being. Smaller than
that there's another reference says the existing size disturb area is expanded
towards its maximum projected size. This is again in the application that according
to the application
a maximum projected sides is five acres there's nothing here that suggests going to
be limited to less than that so. Those are my questions. OK Well
let me see if I can take
a stab at it Michael and Kevin might be able to jump in if necessary. This
particular. Mine quarry was approved by your board as
a vested right with the expectation that it's maximum footprint would be five acres
that was the documentation of the expectation of the parties mining from one nine
hundred forty through and their understanding of how large that actual quarry could
extend. So that's what this reclamation plan is the outer limit
and that's what we're considering. Currently the operational area in the face in
the disturbed areas are different sizes and that was part of the discussion earlier
as to how the water quality mechanisms which may be
summarized at the present time and that was provided as documentation to show that
it was adequately addressed through to the satisfaction of the water quality
control board staffing and our own review of mine inspector for the county.
So we have. A large. Footprint or envelope that this mind could build
into and it might be after twenty twenty five twenty twenty five is the outside
limit for your approval of this reclamation plan should the kauri operator decide
we're going to reclaim we're going to close the quarry and reclaim it can happen at
any time this year or next year but those expectations built into the reclamation
plan would be satisfied so that's kind of why we're looking at this on the other
side of this is the ongoing responsibilities of any operation under California
state water regulations to maintain water quality and that's where the regional
board is saying in an operational capacity they may trigger this industrial storm
water permit and the need for these plans if they're conducting commercial
operation right now the mine is what we call the idle status meaning it's not fully
engaged in the level of commercial activity it was at the time it was fully going
and it meets that threshold I think it's less than twenty percent of its annual use
ten percent so that allows them to kind of back off some of the measures with the
state because that's kind of put on hold until the economy would support the need
for this mine to become more active that doesn't mean that if they take material
from stockpiles or other activities and sell it commercially that they then need to
comply with these water quality permit requirements and that's
a fairly high annual cost for that feat for that permit and I believe that's one of
the reasons the operator has currently kind of left their operation in
a dorm state. So there are only personal use so that is kind of the toggle between
needing that industrial storm water permit now under the provisions of water
quality law and smart they must maintain the appropriate stormwater measures for
even an idle mind and they have done that by kind of grading the slope into the
rock face dealing with the individual systems for collection and treatment of
sediment and those have been found adequate so I don't know if that covers kind of
a range of the question Well I'm still little curious thing and one thing I think I
picked up on you saying was that. Sounded like you're saying the line between
person operating for personal. Personal use sounds like medical marijuana and.
And for commercial use that it's perhaps
a little fuzzy that there stockpiling material that doesn't prevent them from being
able to sell that material at some point if I might if any mind material that's
sold commercially even from
a stockpile is mining and would trigger the need for compliance with the commercial
aspect of the mine. OK if they're taking it and using it to rock the roads within
their ownership that's essentially customary for farm and agricultural and forestry
practices so it's an exemption from. Requirements and the regional board has not
considered that to trigger the industrial stormwater OK but so. So again back
to that chicken or the egg kind of thing with this as to lead
a Agency under smart. You know we would not have our own.
Permit but we would perhaps you know if there's
a question about the need for some of these additional permits Wouldn't that be
something that would be parked within here that we have to demonstrate that they've
. Received any permits deemed necessary by other agencies such as the Regional
Water Board that is
a condition or OK but this but this point it sounds like it's on in terms of the.
It seems like we're acting on one definition in terms of the reclamation area. And
there may be an entirely other definition that's being used by the regional board
but either way I'm still stuck with that the description of the project itself as
in here yes state projects expanding up to five acres potentially so I'm still
struggling so I don't believe that the applicant is disputing the fact that they
wish to continue to use this mine to its maximum potential the allowance that the
board of dop did back in finding the vested right was ten thousand cubic yards per
year certainly they haven't mind that amount of material and be kind of pulled back
from that they're waiting for the economy and other needs for this rock to
materialize but that doesn't erase its vested right or its commercial nature it's
just this trigger for when that industrial stormwater permit is requested by the
regional board and they're sitting on the sidelines waiting for commercial activity
to resume before that you impose them. This was fast
Thank you Mr Chair do you think this is actually been very helpful and did you just
say you know when it's requested by the Regional Water Quality Control Board and
they have not requested they have to I mean they're saying on the sidelines what
you just said I mean here I think the burden is on the party conducting the
operation when they begin commercial activity is to me to see OK thank you for the
present back well. But that's not in front of us right now the reclamation plan
that's what is in front of us right now. True and what has been presented as
to reclamation we're looking at when the mine closes and when we take those
activities to put this property into use other than mining in that the reclamation
use identified is simply returning it to forestry purposes. So they're going to
restock they're going to recover some areas are going to leave some rock face in
areas that are not imperiling public use that may be greater than the two to one
so all of that is kind of wrapped up in what this ultimate Cory's going to look
like twenty years down the road or fifteen years down the road. When we become
involved in that we're also concerned about things like water quality and when they
released seed and restore this area we want to make sure that we don't increase
sediment carry downstream and that's one of the reasons for that monitoring
conditions so we have a
a metric to compare before and after that's kind of the purpose of that of the
other activities when they're moving all of this stuff not during the operational
times but during reclamation if we do have nesting sites what we want to do is make
sure those activities occur in the non nesting period so that's that condition
fishing game is asking that we impose for the nesting survey so we know if there's
anything of concern in the proximity so the conditions that I think we're adding
are down the road and they are generally accepted by misters night or in
the mine operator but they won't be coming in place. In current as an operational
requirement so if that's clear. As print well how does that apply to the condition
Amber did that addresses the issue number two the. You know sorry did
the. I think it was your issue number two where it was noted you wanted monitoring
of water quality during storm events Yes and that's condition of the
reclamation plan OK And it's because we're going to be resawing this area we're
going to be receiving it we're going to be planning some trees that we're going to
have different contours or perhaps removing a berm that's along
a road that might be needed to be kept or not and that's been about you ation of
that process but the conditions essentially say is that when this mine closers it's
going to be put back into
a condition supportive of sort for street purposes so as as Mr Schneider said he
believes that the reclamation the putting it to bed so to speak well that will
happen pretty quickly and will not happen in the winter. So those are good things
the monitoring for reclamation can be up to five years so it really depends on how
extensive the work is whether we need to monitor those activities to me ensure that
they're in place that the plant survive over the seasons and. So the work might be
done in one season we might be watching it for
a little while. I would just add one thing you know we're talking about twenty
twenty five years if it was light years away it's twelve years. Yes.
To. To get
a question. Well if there's any other other questions for staff I've got.
Comments on the motion. If others are done with questions for staff.
OK well I guess. My. Concern with with the motion is
that. You know as noted. This project is sort of the Planning Commission
there is discussion of the Planning Commission and rule of Planning Commission
appeal issues that were brought forward on appeal that were considered by staff.
And of the five points that were raised two or three The staff has recommended
denial there's two staff has been able to find evidence in the record to support
those additional those points those additional conditions and that's what we have
in front of us is
a record that supports. Those two points and so for the maker and seconder of the
motion since we don't have
a resolution before us that supports the motion being made and the alternative.
Staff recommendation would be to direct staff to come back with
a revised resolution but I'm asking to make her second they can tell me what
evidence they see in the record to support the summary Dimmock denial of the. Of
the appeal on those two points. Basically I
just did to deny the peel and support the Planning Commission as decision the six
one vote of the Planning Commission and not to disparage staff I just don't agree
with what they've brought forward which is our prerogative to agree with
stephanotis So what I did was deny the appeal and support the plan the commission's
decision of the six one ruling I mean I couldn't sit here and and well this is
a. Quasi judicial hearing needs to be based on evidence in the record and it's not
a matter of siding with one person or another all the other issues as stated before
about you know. Disparaging one one person or another on different things are
relevant to this it's based upon the evidence in the record and so if there's
a reason if there's evidence in the record to support or to deny outright
I be interested in hearing that.
I didn't get the answer yet the attorney that would take President. Deputy
county council Smith would like to. Please address the board on some of the some of
those concerns about the motion in the resolution that and the evidence before the
board so if that would be appropriate Thank you. Thank you
Director thank you given the emotion currently pending before your board to deny
the appeal in its entirety I did want to sort of focus the board to maybe look to
page eighteen of the staff report which contains the revised findings. Two of those
findings. I'm sorry conditions of additions of approval since the board her.
Parents to so this would be attachment
a Exhibit A. I actually think it is page three of
seventeen on the i Pad Oh wait that's the resolution excuse me yeah it's
Exhibit A little say Page five of seventeen on. The bottom right of your i Pad
which I revise conditions over stupid argument on your i Pad. Page five.
Which item on there. That's may exhibit A. The
revised conditions of approval and the ones on the back of the underlined ones are
the newer ones that staff was recommending getting Yes so those would be the double
underlines and that's numbers twenty twenty one and twenty two the Planning
Commission what came out the Planning Commission hearing were revisions that are
the single underlined to numbers seventeen and numbers nineteen so my understanding
of the discussion in the motion was that numbers the revisions underlined in
seventeen and nineteen will stay and that your board is looking pursuant to the
motion and the second currently pending before your board. Looking to get rid of
numbers twenty twenty one and twenty two and I just want to make sure that I
understand correctly where your board is going in the denial there from that
conversation I heard I'll start with number twenty two it looked like and that says
the the berm shall not be removed upon closure of the quarry operation.
I thought you said that Burma shall not be but you shall be removed upon closure of
the quarry operation unless separately permitted consistent with the county stream
side management area ordinance so my understanding of what your board said there
was that. You heard evidence from the applicants agent that the berm predated
smart and pursuant to smart you didn't want him to have to remove that and so that
was your reason for wanting to not go
a staff recommendation there. For number twenty one which reads Rocky Gulch Creek
shall be measured for Betty and suspended sediment load during high winter runoff
when rainfall exceeds three quarters of an insurers of rain in
a twenty four hour period the creek should be monitored at
a point directly above the quarry and
a point directly below the point of intersection of the creek with the situation
pond of fluent. Siltation I'm sorry my copy is not very good siltation pontiff.
So my understanding of. What your board was going for there was that you believe
that was and do correct me if I'm wrong that was an issue for water quality and if
it's not something that should not be done during the life of the mining and you
didn't want to part of the reclamation plan was there are other reasons. I just in
my estimation it seemed to be more operational in nature but so that was part of my
reasoning for seconding that motion OK And there also it's going to be done so our
time could be
a very short amount of time it takes to do that OK. OK And then the
third one would be number twenty which says the drainage area calculation is based
upon the active mining side of point seven five eight acres are the applicant limit
disturb the area to this amount or they should circulate drainage area by the
maximum allowable mining area as the sedimentation slash erosion control measures
are sized based on the active mining area there is
a restriction on the size of the active mining area of point seven five acres
enlarging the active mining area requires
a re-evaluation of the sizing of the sedimentation basins based on increased active
mining area and revision of this section of the reclamation plan.
So with that one I'm not sure. That there were discussion
of why this should go away so if your board could perhaps have
a discussion I maybe I didn't hear it and I think I'm I second the motion partly
for discussion because I know there is
a lot to happen and that's one little easier and less easy for me to draw
a corollary though to me it does seem that that also could be operational in nature
it seems like that would be something that would shift with the size of you know
but I'm not an expert in corps by any stretch so. You know I I'm thinking
it's more operational in nature but I'd be happy to hear what others may have
thought up on the board. It would it
be OK if I call Mr Schneider up again to discuss that particular point on number
twenty because we haven't discussed it I do agree that it sounds again more in the
operational level. You know like your civil engineer who did
those calculations and did that come up and dress for sure I think you could which
. Would be helpful.
For Mattson with Pacific affiliates. Have
a question about it or draw me just kind of well I wanted to understand what you
are. What your take on item number twenty is that requires that it be limited to
the zero point seven five eight area. I guess
a couple of points I would agree with supervisor Bassett that's an operational item
. But also. You know base there's
a couple other items I put in the letter. Dated October thirtieth.
About there's been
a lot of discussion about the drainage analysis. They do some winterizing of this
and there's another the largest. Detention basins that serves that kind of
runoff from Cory isn't taken into account so I think you know. Between
those other pond in the winterizing which you know involves actually nation of
a pit within the mine itself. I don't think it's necessary to from
a stormwater standpoint to limit the size of the mind active mining area to three
quarters of an acre. Thank you.
First Lovelace question in terms of the. There is a correction whether that's
a operational issue or reclamation issue area to be reclaimed is based on the area
operated upon price so if that's going to be I mean isn't it necessary to approve
a reclamation plan to know what the area of operations are. He says restricting.
But we have one. Engineer may want to respond to that question but I believe the
plan is for what's currently operated I don't know if it ticks acted to go up to
the five acre footprint or maximum So if we have
a reclamation plan that's based on that confirming that that's the area of the plan
and that's all that's govern
a thing beyond that it's not subject to this is. Seems like that would be an
important point. If we were to remove the condition is presently presented
and the reclamation work that engineer is backing up doesn't cover
five acres of disturbance then we would have an obvious problem down the road
either the state might question whether we have to do an amendment to the
reclamation plan. And that might come up on an annual review so it might be back
before you would be best to take care of it at this hearing if we can find out the
answer. Once again. This
is an operational issue OK the size and area of the mine that deals with the runoff
and all of this with nothing to do with the reclamation planet so because this is
all these when the plan is implemented as staff says. Some of these permits may
be required we may have to get a permit for our caller if it could be
a bigger it could be
a smaller area at that point in time then you would go to water quality and say OK
what do we need to do we need to get
a permit for you folks or game OK we need to do
a bird suite what do we need to do you can't you can at this point in time say in
fifteen years what their criteria may be or you can say is they may be subject crew
permit and each agency's will have to look at it and see if they are not and you
know I've heard
a lot of stuff about water quality but I've never seen anything written from saying
you got to come down here to get
a permit there's no reports that we met with them we met with them several times we
met in the late as Friday of last week and then there were as
a lot are saying you need a permit you need
a sweep so to say that OK at that point in time you mate you will have to abide
by all of these agencies it's all you can do because you don't know at that point
in time what they were and maybe so this is definitely an operational thing does
not belong in
a reclamation plan Thank you. It
was
a brass question Steve so Steve I'm hearing you say you know if this isn't. Addressed
in this at this moment in time somewhere down the road we may have to come back if
they decide to go next and use all their five acres. I guess so to speak and
I guess my thought is. If they decide that they're going to go beyond what they've
currently got in this plan and it does come back to us it results in
a couple extra meetings basically I mean I'm just trying to go because I can
understand the thought of all are trying to guess what we're looking towards the
future which I mean we are always trying to do. And sometimes you know. You can.
Trying to develop thing act here so. Right time. No.
You know if I'm still here I'll be willing to come back if you need to live with
again. In a question. OK We have
a motion in the second dollars and I did on. Do you have
what you need. I believe so so just to to just wrap up the last
condition that we just spoke of that the discussion that your board had for number
twenty was that that's more of an operational issue and that if. The operator
expands the use beyond what is currently done they will revise their read plan in
come in and that is your expectation that's correct yes.
QUESTION I was just going to make
a comment on the. The other one the condition twenty one the monitoring.
It's yes this is the reclamation plan and that's my understanding of that
monitoring after record restoration to make sure that the restoration work was done
correctly in fact is done in summer is irrelevant because the first test of it will
be with the rainfall and if it sits through six dry months when it rains that's
going to be the first test it's not going to matter with it's ten days or six
months or whatever the big storm of ants are the test of erosion control work and
so I. You know it's clear to me that it's not an operational thing that's directly
relating to the reclamation plan. And that doing it in the dry months isn't the
issue so anyway I just want to stay that. But Fell
Well I just want to say here that you know we started off with
a large package which had some issues involved included that
we actually had objections. So we've strayed very far away from the reclamation
plan and I think we need to stay focused on that. Some of those issues will be
dealt in other ways with regard to the operation of the of the project how it might
be addressed by different agencies it's clear that the Planning Commission went
through it and already added language and hands conditions so at this point I feel
comfortable in supporting the motion. To thank you
and through the chair I've just informed by staff that wanted to put this forward
because it was
a question asked by your board last time the applicant at this time has yet to
return the indemnification agreement that we proffer to him. So that is sort of an
outstanding issue from the last hearing that that we are continued today from the I
think I would I would ask is that if your board. Basically continue this item so
that we can prepare
a resolution of denial which includes the findings that your board has made today
and then bring it bad for the next meeting and we can have it on the Consent
Calendar at that point in your report can vote perhaps that would be my suggestion
if counsel Chaiten agrees. Yeah I agree. But we have it ready for the next meeting
do you think or I just don't want to that's pretty soon but.
But I do think we should bring it back with the appropriate resolution in the
findings.
Snow meeting. To be two weeks.
When. We meet next week or is it the week after. We do not meet
on Christmas Eve No we meet next Tuesday and next week if there are less so we
following so if you don't do it this next week it'd be three weeks.
I think perhaps the first meeting of January would be better given everyone's
holiday schedule. That would be
a status request. And then the indemnification part is. Would you
want that included in here. Something that's holding that up.
Staff has given Mr Schneider the indemnification that we offer to applicants and my
understanding from staff is that it hasn't been returned signed at all I think when
John was running I mean it's not customary when you don't have one hundred nine and
Asians on the direct measure. For discretionary items it is recommended that we do
an added benefit cations and this is
a discretionary item recommended we pay for makers who want to make
a decision one of them behind it
it is definitely something within your board's discretion if you wish to take on if
there's any legal challenges if you wish to pay for it. That's what the
indemnification does that says that if we are sued over this approval for this
denial that. The mining the applicant Well the mining operator will pay for the
defense of that legal challenge. Otherwise it'll be up to your board to either pay
for the defense out of the county general fund or revisit this issue and reverse
your decision. I don't recall that discussion in our last
meeting because we kind of continued on to this week this meeting. Here is no
With that I mean I in that I don't mind I'd like to get this done but I don't mind
waiting to get the correct findings but I'd also like to have something brought
back at the time that very clearly identifies it and occasion because I don't
recall that discussion happening not saying it didn't there there's you know
hundreds of pages that we have here in front of us so that would have been helpful
to have. A reminder of
a little bit sooner than at this moment but I certainly would like to have more
information on that.
And just we can be prepared what. What's the tenor of the information you'd like
how do you know I think I'm you know just curious you know when we say it's
recommended we give it all people with discretionary permits curious you know who
takes advantage who doesn't was I mean what is what is that resulted in for us have
we seen you know. You know lawsuits going forward I want to be able you know look
at it and go OK I can make
a reasoned decision on that and I feel like this was just kind of like oh by the
way here we go and I just feel like I need more information to feel comfortable
either way on the and then the vacation concept. Of chaotically Thank you
OK So. It's not going to come back. So.
Are you going to change your motion to. Get some I
have to censor. The rules of the game keep changing. I guess I'll pull the
trigger so pull the motion and you have to on them during appreciation. Do we
defend it in house two we have to hire our house are we going to you know I love
lawsuits you know without having
a lawsuit in front of us and hopefully we won't it's really hard to answer those
questions right now I mean it would depend on the nature of the litigation if there
is any the nature of the relegation zone in front of us is not.
If you're the second. I'm damned if the motion is to continue that I'm and have
staff bring the item back with the findings in the resolution to make it accurately
reflect. The board's decision today to support the Planning Commission and to bring
back information on this and then the vacation concept and that would be my motion
at second. So she said OK. Friends who love us so I guess there's
the immediate motion is to bring this back but I'm hearing the motion as including
with conditions of approval for supporting the plan denying the appeal
outright and so that's the piece that I have to focus on in voting no on the motion
of OK we have motion in the second favor please say I. Post.
Or will. OK Sorry about the time set for pretty clock. But
we are there well bit behind. We can.
OK go fast. And then with.
I think one of these regarding reclamation operational role. Or not about
operations.
Yet.
We are taking
a break. He said. OK
fine I'm going to go.
Sheesh.
OK.
OK welcome back and we are moving to our three thirty
eight time set. For an update on the Mad River had trees and genetic
management brought to us by
a supervisor of. OK.
Well thank supervisor bone for wanting to get this item on the agenda here there's
been
a lot of discussion about. The Mad River hatchery and their genetics management plan
or he. And. Just are ongoing operations and
with the questions that have been out there about it seem like a good time to hear
a presentation from the actor and so going to welcome Phil Barrington and I believe
got
a number of other folks too who are also going to be perhaps making comments are not
sure but. Welcome. My name is Philip buried and I'm the senior
environmental scientist or department official my life. And I've been responsible
for. Developing the hatchery and genetics man to plan for a matter of
a hacker. At the end when we if we have questions.
I've got. The staff in the parliament here. She had over ten years they had three
manager staff environmental scientists Mark Wheatley and another scientist. Michael
Sparkman were here for some of the technical issues.
Like to do about
a three minute brief overview. The status of. When
to run steelhead in northern California to state population segment as it relates
to matter hatchery and thank you for giving you this opportunity to talk. It is
August seventh two thousand. National Oceanographic and mission Atmospheric
Administration and names. Referred to in the document that were.
Listed. When run steelhead or just steelhead in the northern California distinct
population segment of federally threatened species. In two thousand and four there
was
a. Ruling about the one thousand nine hundred three hatchery listing
policy and in two thousand and four. That.
Was translated into
a new policy and it was like in two thousand and five the policy on consideration
of hatchery steelhead. In the two thousand and six the.
Reaffirmed the steelhead in this distinct population segment as threatened under
USA. The D.P.'s sting operation segment does not include northern
California steelhead propagated at night river hatchery. Apparently excluded the
river hatchery propagation program because
a matter hatchery origin fish were thought to be substantially reproductively
isolated from other conscious if it population units and that they do not represent
an important component in the evolutionary legacy of the species because not hatch
origin. Northern California still has propagated by member Hatch are not considered
part of the D.P.S.
They are also not of the listed so let me jump out of that history to what happened
in two thousand and five the department decided to develop
a heterogenous imagine plan for Med river hatchery by two thousand and seven there
was one point zero developed by two thousand and nine there was a more or less
a final document developed by Larry Preston and he was scheduled to retire in the
end of two thousand and nine. There were some comments that came from them so after
he retired and we picked it up again. With the instigation of the
epic lawsuit. In the latter part of two thousand and twelve such that by
June twentieth. Two thousand and thirteen we had
a final draft revised draft from the two thousand and nine document. And I
formally transmitted it to nips back in two thousand and nine and actually back
from two thousand and eight we had informally. Transmitted the document and if we
do have questions about the document itself I can go through that but there's this
informal process of going back and forth between them so in our staff to review
section by section line by line page by page right now is in that code manager
review status. Once we delivered it. In June they
responded with September nineteenth with their co-manager comments and then the
draft that I have here in front of me is what I sent back to them responding to
their comments October seventeenth two thousand and thirteen and. The
supervisor for. Review of the. G.M.P.
Is here and she told me last night that they hope to have the second shot of
Commander review comments to me by writing this week. So
that's where we're at we have. Gone back and forth with it for years and now we
have
a formal transmittal we're close I think to responding to all the comments that they
might have we were happy with it about in June but I can certainly see that our.
Our partners in this yes and the department are working very closely together with
a very amicable kind of relationship. I understood their comments responded to
their comments as best I could as faster turnaround as we possibly could knowing
that the spawning steelhead takes place usually the last week of December the first
week of January and this case will be December thirty first and it will continue
for twelve weeks after that and we knew that in order for the H.T.T.P.
To be approved to be on
a very fast timeline since we're still in the process of going back and forth with
it we haven't even started the. Process of national environmental protection. So
with that if you have technical questions I might be answered be able to answer
some of them but my question was should probably be the one to answer some of those
questions and. The rest of the staff and if you. Two of us pass
Thank you Mr Chair and thank you I don't have any technical questions I guess you
know as someone who has been trying to learn about this in bits and pieces My
question is if there's been
a lawsuit but you're now moving forward and you look like you have like some end
game now ending in sight. Just sort of you know curious why why do why
is the lawsuit being continued to be pressed you know it seems like you're doing
what you're supposed to be doing and I think it's just
a frustration that I see when when I just don't enter Billy understand what
someone's endgame is so it's not question it's more of
a just. Comment The department's lawyers and lawyers
met with the judge and created
a settlement May thirty first two thousand. Natural
origin fish now you might say you might think well OK maybe you can handle that you
are going when the Steelhead who are running up the river encounters fish that are
they don't know who they are and so we encounter. Origin fish as well as
a natural origin fish in the trap of. Fish and even if we were to go out in the
river and seen that this would still be handling this and that would be
a violation. Too
versatile ace I've got
a question about that because the the language of the stipulation of stay. States.
That U.S.
Fish and Wildlife will not make any. Grant Despard dispersants etc for the purpose
of collection trapping or use of natural origin steelhead trout for brood stock and
so it implies that it's for the for the purpose of breeding and whether they
actually get in there or not is not. The defining factor it's
a matter of the root stock and so the idea that it prevents the ability to operate
to trap or capturing. Hatchery origin fish.
I'm wondering that's not that's not how I read what's in here but the bigger
question though is the expected timeline and you and I spoke about this earlier.
That you know in terms of. With the comments from the amps that
you'll be receiving Hopefully Friday and turning those around and such. What the
expected date is at which. Standard is until there is
a hatchery genetics management plan or take permit approved were issued by notes.
That he had that seems like that's something that is coming towards us and you have
an exit estimate of when you. Best case scenario when you think that might be it's
a good question. And historically for the state for the nation there's over fifty
genetics American plans have been written
a little over half of them have been approved none of them have been approved in
the state of California so it's hard to to to answer that question it's kind of
hard at say but what I would say having talked to Jeffrey John who is one of the
regulators with me and. He thought that if we had the environmental assessment of
biological opinion public scoping and the Federal Register notification for public
comment these things could take place at a minimum
a minimum was three months. Because we don't have any approved and there have been
those that have been submitted over the years I don't know what the the end long
version is but so far none of them. My hope because of the lawsuit and because it
actually stops the hatchery spawning would be that we could get this resolved in
two thousand and fourteen and go through that process that's
a that's twelve months is
a lot longer than three months and I think we could do that I was hoping we could
do that actually this summer and we would be close to December that we would get
through
a three month period by then but that's not happening now so. I am fairly confident
that we could get this completely approved as per the settlement. Before the two
thousand and fifteen years which would be
a good join with every March of two thousand and fifteen. Spawning.
If I may you included within there are
a couple of other things besides the. Approval of the draft age G.M.P.
And so is it bad earlier and there's
a different threshold in terms of. One that's gone through we have finished with
all the other certification right before we get into the need of process we have to
have both sides agreeing that this is
a pretty good document or do recognize that once we get
a new process and we have public scoping and
a comment period in the Federal Register in the biological pinioned these things
could alter the
a little bit I don't think the altering it's of fashion. And
until we have an approved. We are out of compliance with the environment.
The idea had been for the department is that with an interim pay that would be OK
and we're working on it. So the epic lawsuit was precise about that we didn't have
a technically approved document so my my thought about that
was once they see this document formally transmitted and we're actively engaged
with it that. Things might change but I do have to
restate that you know our department lawyers and the other lawyers met with
a judge and that came to
a settlement and so I'm not going to undermine that settlement by suggesting we do
something other than that. Understood. This was
a bone. Well I appreciate it just because it seems like
a mere ten years ago when we hatched the friends of the hatchery and had some
fundraisers and got together with
a whole bunch of concerned citizens and raise some money to basically stop the
hatchery and the hatchery manager. Everybody fish and game everybody jumped in to
save the hatchery because once it was closed we were going to lose it and I just
and then when this came up there were so many things mentioned about it I thought
it was to be
a good time to bring it forth because the economic What amazed me back in those
days is they did the economic trick neuron what that means to the economy and it is
absolutely astonishing what you know a bunch of sports fishermen taken
a few guys fishing can bring to the economy it's phenomenal and then the hatcheries
a big part of that so I appreciate the report and that's why I was interested so
thank you. Is at the end of the people I want to say
because party report. Like. No other than answer
questions Was there any other parts to your presentation All right let's take
public comment then is there anybody from the public comment on this on. Your first
Mr of our shock. Supervisors Good afternoon thanks for the
opportunity to provide just a not so much feedback or comment but
a small trip down memory lane supervisor bone I appreciate your bringing up the
friends of the matter for the tree My name is Dave R.
Shock I was the president the friends and matter of official tree from two thousand
and four all the way through when we closed up shop in two thousand and seven this
is our farewell letter. The friends board which was formed as
a community based group to save the matter fish Ottery from certain closure due to
the state budget crisis is disbanding its mission accomplished after several years
of community events that raced several hundred thousand dollars of cash in kind
volunteer support the friends M O U with the State Department
a fishing game ended June thirtieth two thousand and seven as the first of its kind
ever to be done public private saving this wonderful hatchery was an important was
important as it is not only
a major tourist revenue source over one point two million
a year in fishing related purchases but
a cornerstone of the quality of life for local families and school children.
Friends thanks the community for its financial and volunteer labor support and
major donors to the project and this is where it gets cool because this is all
spectrums all segments of society and here Simpson green diamond the Palko other
local businesses donated goods and guided trips that river Outfitters pro sports
center and many other on name debate yearly donators the friends board also thanks
local board supervisors Joe Geist who was then fifth District and Jimmy Smith first
district as well as Assembly Member Patty Berg and Sen was Leach as
a pro for their successful legit legislative advocacy that ultimately led to our
hatcheries refunding finally on behalf of the community on behalf of the community
excuse me thanks to the Department of Fish and Game Director Ryan Broaddrick and
his dedicated staff Tom Cook and Pat Overton for their faith and willingness to
partner with the friends and Humboldt County to save the hatchery on September
tenth two thousand and seven just after noon we held
a dedication ceremony where we dedicated a plaque on
a nice stone still out of the hatchery today as
a symbol of what that hatchery means to what county it's it's
a big part go out there on any given day there's not very many places you can go.
And experience a generation gap like that bridged through fishing and
a river without that hatchery it's gone all that the social part of it the economic
part of it all that when I got word that this was going on it made me really
nervous so I'm glad that we're taking this up so thanks for the opportunity Rishi
it thank you welcome sexy
and you got resident and I can be able to tell you in three minutes what I've
learned in fifty years regarding fishery forestry and what have you. My
background started when I was a kid got a choice
a matinee or fish and went fishing I never went to the matinee. As
a forester I did some things that were bad but I did some things that were good
nobody listen to the good now but they listen to the bad there's
a lot of good going on that could happen I helped with the Fort Bragg learned about
about a lot about fish we did
a little river study up there nobody wants to listen to that thing anymore we've
got a real fishery expert in
a lot of experts now would cringe at what he told me and what I learned I've
written all kinds of books about this now having said all that up in Oregon they
had
a deal they were club in the fish coming back to the hatchery when they had enough
to get they shut the gates let the fish run in Runner up the river and they've been
doing that for years the years the mixing was going on so don't tell me hatchery
fish wild fish are the only way to do it there was a mix going on
a judge ruled the cordon of that up in Oregon California is
a basket case that the legalese going on around here put all your books aside I
mean you can listen to the experts and you can follow all the rules but the logic
tells you that they're trying Mr Berryman here is trying for one run one run I
don't know what five or seven runs out there at the hatchery he trying to justify
one run I took a class out there Humboldt State couple of classes we took
a look at the fishery and what are they doing in there basically you're taking fish
out the River Raisin them put the fish back in the river can't do that I don't
understand that there's
a lot of logic that's missing on this so take your books and your legal leaves and
do what you want with them but you're missing you're missing something here and I
as a well whatever in my travels seen a lot of it
a lot of what could be done so if you want
a lot of fish while the ONLY is not going to get you they're just not going to do
it and you need to have your hatcheries. Welcome.
Good afternoon supervisors My name is not only in the law and I'm here on behalf of
me today. I want to say that. This lawsuit what it did
was it gave the push to complete the hatchery genetic management plan that was
required by the federal endangered species act hadn't been completed this lawsuit
is pushing towards the completion of that plan epic will stay engaged in this
process throughout the NEPA process but that once Noah approves the hatchery
genetic management plan that will meet the terms of the settlement we do not want
to see that the hatchery are shut down but we do want to see that the wild stocks
of salmon are given the fair chance that they deserve to restore and recover
themselves and our north coast rivers so again you know once Noah approves this
plan epic will be able to step back we will stay engaged but that will be
a good resting point for us and providing everything moves ahead we understand that
with the government shutdowns that's kind of slowed things down with Noah but we
are all moving together as plaintiffs and defendants and we are looking for common
ground and for solutions to keep the rivers in the fish healthy and recovery thank
you. Natalie can I ask
a question. Just want to make sure I understood where you're so in terms of
having a draft of the Gen X.
Management plan that has that's approved by no official reason is to standards that
you're looking for rather than the final need certified product OK Thank you.
Welcome. I think you'd
be pinned down my question and it sounds like we might be at
a point. Where that with that draft we can proceed in here I guess it still has to
go back before the judge and I would be hoping that the judge would allow I guess
probably to amend the agreement they have to allow that to happen. I would it was
going back through here and I say Bill that it was very important to me it's it was
from the desk of Mark loveless and it's dated nine of twelve and it's basically
a letter of support for what I brought forward as far as getting the hattrick going
appreciated Mark support greatly in working with everybody involved in this along
with everybody else here to to accomplish to get to this point and I really
appreciate epochs willingness not to just hold it right to the end and slam it down
I think that is
a very fair thing and it raises my esteem for their legitimacy and what they do I
know that my my communication is there's been all kinds of roadblocks in this thing
for Mr Berrington games change two or three times but that's that's normal and I
think we're kind of close to the finish line here so again I would like to thank
all or all of you for your your support in the hatchery there and as to how to
hopefully of all this and those in some needs here and then and I like I've said
before I'd love to see it mothballed after we bring the fishery back to the extent
will be totally self-sufficient there's
a concept of rooting boxes out there I guess where you actually do site specific.
Eggs and raise them in certain areas and of course that's a way to go to
a farce filling in you know it's dry. I don't know what will happen but bring the
salmon back giving it that help if we can if Nora and amps and everybody feels it's
a thing to go with with another genetic with the salmon there. Is just so many I
was brought in this by a salmon fisherman he said can't we had
a fantastic year that was back before this date mark his letter here and he said
can we can you do anything to find out how we can bring the salmon back to the Mad
River which we had all our salmon fishing and our fish reactors so it may not
happen but it's
a goal and for the people like Philip Crandall who goes he said he goes out there
twice a week it's
a beautiful spot out there I highly recommend you take your kids out there you
still get to feed little fish but it's just
a place to picnic and relax and enjoy. The beauty of the Mad River in out there not
just the hatchery but to have the public access down to the river and everything
that goes with the hatchery so it's
a very unique experience I took my kids out there when they were young many years
ago and we fed the fish and it's just part of our life out there so all these
people who spent this time bringing it back it's greatly appreciated I'm kind of
a Johnny come lately in the thing and and again I really appreciate your help on
this may appreciate epix working with us on this thank you thank you and at the
public comments. Welcome. My name is
John Grant a ground ball ski I'm a resident of Blue Lake. I've been
a State Farm insurance agent for thirty two plus years but I also used to work for
the department fun and games. Sorry. Now they're part of Fish and Wildlife.
I have
a bachelors and masters official whole state I'm not here to refute any biology
hundreds here in support of the Mad River high too was on the matter over say the
matter of fish hatchery program and I worked at the hatchery helping spawn fish
every week my power washed probably half to third of all those raceways out there
over the years to get it shipshape. I just would hate to see that they have
triggered by. There's controversy over wild stocks versus hatchery stocks but in my
mind that Hatcher has been there so long that those fishermen are better breeding
for quite a while I don't know if we're going to find
a whole lot of genetic difference. In these fish that are coming up the hatchery in
the river so it'll be interesting to see I'm very curious to see what happens with
the genetics here. Hold. I say epic
forced the issue which I'm glad because sometimes big bureaucracies take
a long time to get things done so it kind of pushed Phil to do
a lecture work maybe wasn't on his A list but now it is so in that regard I'm
appreciative epic but I think epic should back off now that we do have
a tentative agreement tentative plan so we can continue to spawn the fish in the
hatchery and just let you know I'm not going to sign a damned plan I have
a two million dollars dollar policy will cover me not to ask you or the staff to
take care of me so thank you. It's good to see you again
to. Welcome Good afternoon and thanks Rex for putting
this on for the public and Phil for your information I guess I'm kind of
a community person and I'm Karen Brooks from Bayside My question is this capital
plan that you're putting together is
a fish hatchery operating significantly different from what your plan specifies.
Yeah so here we have people doing the right thing just going through the paper
trail which is extremely frustrating and you know I just hope that epic looks at
what the work is doing and how important this how trees are to community and just
drop the lawsuit I think we're all working in good faith toward something that we
all value my question to you Phil is is there anything the county can do to assist
this effort
a letter of recommendation or support or what have you to expedite this process Mr
Brooks can you just address the board then was
a question I mean if you would ask Phil that but I think we're all in agreement
that we love the house here you want to help any way that we can you may be in
a position to do that and thank you for your time thank you Syria neither public
comments. Welcome. I
say that I'm one to support the hatchery. I think that this is really an important
thing and from what I what I've heard there is absolutely no reason to close it at
this point and our committee really needs it and I think it's it's terrible that it
seems like California is the worst I mean you know they're constantly closing and
stopping and regulating up to that because they're doing and just preventing all
this many and cost and actually causing problems with the thing they're actually
trying to help you know I mean it's it's like it's like the old story bellows stone
where they said oh wells are causing all these problems we have to kill them all
and and then pretty soon the Yellowstone is practically destroyed because they just
disrupted this balance so badly I don't I just want to support the higher tree I
would like to see him keep it open I don't think it's hopefully I guess it's up to
you guys decide if you're going to keep it open and I know oh. Well I
just would like to say I want to support having it kept open so thank you. Not that
easy. Sorry of the public comments.
Well I do want to thank the presentation I want to thank epic for I guess lighting
the fire I hope there's no legal fees involved then I'll be really excited. I want
to thank the sports fishermen here today that came I think in support of the
hatchery and they've been there back in the fundraisers ten years ago and stuff
like that bar shock and what the friends of the matter of fish actually did I think
the economic part of it is huge and I think somebody mentioned I would love to have
a dollar for every school trip that's been out there I think that's the easiest
field trip to take kids on and I think you pay the twenty five cents and you get to
feed the fish or whatever the case may be so I really do appreciate what the Mad
River Fish Hatchery does and it sounds like with just
a little bit of paper shuffling and
a little more work for Phil and Marc and his crew that will be come to fruition so
thank you for the update. All right.
I was just going to give my thanks to you to Phil and everyone else that came here
for this and of everyone that helped keep the hatchery open years ago so that we
have the up be up still have it working for us and I just want to reference can't
comment about an ideal world that the hatchery wouldn't be necessary if we had
naturally functioning rivers that they maintain themselves they don't require
actuaries but unfortunately we do live in
a modified landscape and that require some management require some active
involvement in that to try to bring things back so that hopefully one day we can
get back to
a situation where we have abundant salmon without us having to put so much effort
into it but appreciate everyone's interest in making sure that we have the best
hatchery possible there. OK. Thank you Phil for
coming in and giving us up to speed and thanks for on who came out today to support
and I know I have a lot of good memories there from what I was a kid and it's
a great place to see it up to full speed again. OK
So that will move us on to. You want to do.
One again I want to get. I guess not OK.
Well to just John. Will preserve
a minute. Thank
you members of the board my name is Cliff Johnson I'll be representing the planning
department on this project. For you is an amendment to an existing Williamson act
agricultural preserve that's located in the Ferndale area the existing preserve is
a classy preserve currently at two hundred thirty four acres it was first formed in
two thousand and six and this is it actually was added to sixty two acres was added
in two thousand and seven this would add approximately three hundred twenty acres
to the preserve. The preserve is being used to support
a dairy operation was actually
a dairy operation on the existing preserve and the additional three hundred twenty
acres is being used to support that dairy. Both the Williamson act Advisory
Committee and the Planning Commission had recommended approval of this amendment to
the preserver. One of the requirements to enter into
a classy preserve is that the land be zoned for agricultural use approximately two
hundred fifty acres of this three hundred twenty acres is currently zoned on
classified and so as part of this application the owner is asking to have the
land rezoned into the agricultural exclusive doesn't nation and this would be the
agricultural exclusive designation with the B six combining that's going to specify
a minimum parcel size of one hundred sixty acres. The reason
itself is consistent with the current general plan does it NATION which is
agricultural grazing in the Planning Commission has reviewed the rezone application
and recommended approval as well with that I would turn it back to to the board I
can answer any questions or. Questions.
Wendy and I open the public hearing well. I wasn't sure if I had missed that
opening the book thank you and also Mary read the title of the ordinance for the
record. Yes thank you. The title of the ordinance
is ordinance amending Section three eleven there seven of the humble county code by
rezoning property in the Ferndale area Z.
Or dash thirteen there Ciro for the vote
a dairy Thank you. First love. With that I would move staff
recommendations. To as best thank you the comment I was actually just going to make
in you know I was at Alaska conference yesterday which was actually. Quite
interesting but there was
a lot of talk about the Williamson act and how important is to you know
preservation and so on who stayed home and they were just saying how they have all
this money to help us like you know what the fake really do if you want to help us
give us back with the bench and thank you very much I learned from Philip So I see
this and I said you know our board is doing what we can to keep you know.
Preserving our glands and it's amazing you know because we don't have the resources
to do it so I really appreciate you know our staff in this board you know taking
a stand here and and I just wish others in the state you know could learn from us.
You know well so it think it's another example of our commitment to protecting our
press away and in. Is there anybody from the public that would like to
comment on this I am. Kate moved and seconded
all in favor say aye. Post Oscars.
OK. We're done with you.
Mate you unless you want to do B one zero. I would use
a bat in there. OK I'm sorry about that
and your report on status and implementation of the four framework point
continuation. Good afternoon chairman Simberg and members of the Board Michael
Richardson and the assigned planner on this project and this item was continued
from your November twelfth meeting and what was requested at that meeting was the
report to be revised to identify a on
a more precise level the comparison between the I'm sorry
over at me the public hearing OK. The request was
to revise the report to show on
a more precise level. The comparison between development
potential in the Martin slew project area on
a sub Basin level and the capacity in that area and we've done that by
adding
a table table to. Annual Report. And
I had I'm happy to go through that with you as necessary I did receive
a phone call from the attorney for housing for all and there was another number
that they wanted changed in the staff report and that is in the manual
report and it occurs on page three of the annual report which is.
It's seven of. Of the Board report and.
The number Kurz in the third paragraph up from the bottom and it references.
Results of our work to implement. Implementation number
seventeen housing implementation number seventeen and in the sentence reads that I
am seventeen requires rezoning enough land to accommodate five hundred fourteen
units of affordable housing and. Correction is to say
seven hundred seventeen units of affordable housing and this was
a correction that was made during a public hearing and it's
a part of the public record so we would recommend that that correction. And
so with that we will modify the report in send it to the state as required by
state law and that concludes my presentation is there any public comment outside of
. What is.
Cancer the last time I was up here I got the bums rush because we had
a time so. I tried to get it shut down exactly on time it didn't work today but I
appreciate it anyway I did review that you know it's just still astounding how many
units were required to have in this area even they were basically in
a flat no growth thing I don't know there's obviously nothing we can do about it
but it's astounding and of course there was litigation to prove it and it just goes
on and on and on I don't know if this is part of this group where they want to have
all this high density stuff to hurt us in the middle of town and take away our
parking places or not that. Hard to reflect on I do want to make sure that I did
get some clarification on the bottom of page four there was something regarding the
similar project out which last time I contended was an incorrect statement of
course I still contend it was an incorrect statement and that's something we'll
address later I want other issues So anyway that was regarding the similar project
out there so thank you for the time to comment and I'm glad to see we're getting
this puppy out of here and we can all move on thank you. Sir and the other public
comment. Here close public comment press
pass. I was looking for Jim was out there but she's not here now so I'll just make
it OK Oh. I'm waiting for her well I
yeah OK that's what you're going to need actions apparently. That idea is that we
accept staff at the annual report. Case any of the comments.
OK we have motion in
a second all those favor. Post motion carries thank you very
very much OK now we're done with you. OK well you've kept you all day today
didn't we Kevin. All right so.
We have one last item and. Wondering if the board wants to.
To the reports are now. OK passing also.
Do you have pictures. Yeah.
You have one item. Do you want to. Let me go
back forty minute Power Point Yeah. OK you get you get two and you get one and then
we're done. Stu you just really.
OK you get pictures you get two and you get one. Yeah. Subtitles
I mean Mark are going to defer our time to you guys. Please go.
That was very nice of you thank you very much. Your Sandberg and supervisor
Lovelace. Two items one Wednesday the. Fourteenth I
did it ten No sorry Thursday the fifteenth day tended in meeting and Fortuna.
Regarding the O.B.-G.Y.N.
. In at Redwood Memorial Community showed out in
force I believe there were I saw my colleagues there as well there were four
hundred you know accurately reported in local papers it's two hundred but there
were very close to four hundred people there and I do hope and I feel that the.
Administration. Heard the community's concerns and I do hope that we can move
forward and retain those services in the in the second district. Also I just wanted
to say briefly here this was touched on in the public comment. This past weekend
in southern humbled and throughout the county we had very very cold temperatures
slipped down into eighteen degrees and their local community of
faith had provided some housing for people who were out and about as homeless.
At the new one fellowship on Thursday and Friday but were unable to do so on
Saturday and Sunday and supervisor bone and and I facilitated.
Community working together to provide shelter for those. Who were out there on the
first night. I think there were twelve on the second night there were twenty seven
people who needed those services and three or four of the local churches work
together and
a lot of individuals and I just want to applaud and thank them for their work in
making sure that those very vulnerable people we're dealt with in
a real crisis you know whatever you say about the issues that we face with.
Trends in people or however in our communities there comes
a time when it's very very clear that people are in need and they need our help and
community stepped up and I want to applaud them for that and I want to thank
supervisor bones for helping out the first night when I was unavailable and just we
do need to look at what we might want to do to set in motion for those few times
when the temperatures just drop them into
a very dangerous and with that I want to recognize
a deputy more more force who are brought it to my attention of the problem down
there and then also undersheriff Hansal and his wife who offered to help offset
some of the costs of providing the vets all that night but I think we got it taken
care of but I just it was
a group effort and so and it was some problems really beat it up so that's my
report thank you to rise brass thanking this chair just I mentioned earlier that I
had the opportunity to go in
a period Alaska conference. They were celebrating fifty years of laugh though and
it was actually one of the most interesting conferences I've been to it was I
learned
a lot and you know it's kind of like when you go to these things and you learn what
you learn you know that you don't really know
a lot until you leave there and you think man I learned. More than I could ever
tell you but you know I think what I took away from there for us is you know roll
counties are different that's who I want to speak for was
a rural counties and rural northern counties than. We do have different problems we
don't have necessarily the growth pressures and the traffic issues and we had
ignored you know I talked about the ambulance service and how it was now helping
train to to help with you know maybe find
a solution and you know other places it's all about that they have no ag land and
I'm thinking here we're trying to preserve ag land and it's so ironic that the
state's not paying us but they want to come up with other funding mechanisms to
encourage other things that they probably won't pay for either you know and that's
what my my and my takeaway was you know great that the state's offering but you
know why don't you make it on what you promised us already so I really enjoyed
myself and I appreciated the opportunity and I'm glad that the flight got in for I
could be here with you today and I did also want to mention I wanted to follow up
on as he was here earlier mentioning that it's
a human rights Awareness Day And while I'm not the last speaker today I hope that
everyone can take with them today. That you know especially you know Nelson Mandela
his. Service is happening right now or today and yesterday with the
time change they kept saying to zeven. You know it's just
a really important time to think of differences that people make in people's lives
and again like I think supervisor Fennell and bone for. You being recognized as the
for for helping you know when your help is needed and and that's part of you know
human rights awareness day so. Things. Appreciate that there was two items. I know
that I promised her and I forgot supervisor Lovelace's also. Yeah I decided there
were two things that I wanted to report on just real quickly just last Tuesday
following our board meeting was at it Blue Lake City Council meeting for
a presentation on the status of the levy study that's being done and sense Hank
seaman took time from his evening to be out there and answer
a lot of questions from the council I just want to mention it to give my
appreciation to him for all of the hugely important things that land on his
shoulders with the county and also I just wanted to note last night tend to be
humble library foundation's annual gala at the Carson mansion and each year they
honor someone someone with the Helen Everett Award and this year that award was
given to Glen and Janet Saunders who donated the site for the Trinidad library
along with
a lot of other kind of like they've been pretty dynamic giving people in that
community so I just want to give my appreciation to them. Thank you
so as bone. You can turn your microphone on first
Friday I get up we we had a change in our Board the other day we had
a couple that I guess renewed their vows and obeyed Dave in. And Phyllis Diller
granny Phyllis was
a the jail nurse for multiples of years here and since left that in so they got to
remarry them on Friday and we had
a reception here was all sorts of fun. Saturday. Saturday
I did breakfast with Santa I saw practice and I Could Be careful on that one
Saturday night we had the H.T.S.
So. Christmas party actually Friday night we had the builders exchange Christmas
dinner I'm gone and I want to George Curry It's right here John Macbeth and Dave
Morris were recognized with lifetime achievement awards for their over one hundred
forty years involved in the construction industry here they're all homegrown boys
that have done their whole career here and humble county so I wanted them to be
recognised Saturday night we had the H.G.'s of the home but deputy sheriffs dinner
and no I didn't get pictures of that but I did I think we had Mark was there
and I got to say with the supervisor Sunbird and and his wife and
Matthew was there. And. I want to recognize the award winners
the rookie of the year was Kyle Holt and the deputy of the year was Chad Zack and
Kyle's out of Del Norte County. His parents are great people have known him since
he was a pup and Chad Zach I've known since he was a pup so basically
a couple local kids doing really well and then the probation award winners the
juvenile probation officer of the year was dory ha's in the adult division
probation office of the year was Shawn Berger So I wanted them to be recognized
because they do such
a great job and they're recognized by their peers. So I mean I've
had the son to believe got
a clue the Italian to get the Sons of Italy dinner and. I'll stop at that just
because I. Was limited. Was that.
The chief she had. To residential didn't and it was very well attended and
hopefully they listened because they think they got blindsided I don't think they
realized how much the old river valley and their desire to keep their O.B.-G.Y.N.
And the how much it means to the community. Thank you for those reports
very public comment on this item. Welcome.
To items really quick here obviously. Basically I was up there at the store where I
get some of my clothes off where the Cancer Society has their store I think
Henderson center this Friday they have their best sale of the year fifty percent
off there's
a whole bunch of really nice things in their suit so get up there to piece suit you
know they're like eighteen bucks I mean nine dollars for
a two piece suit so I got their support and then the one biggest thing I guess you
guys forgot to mention was his tax day so to keep this carry going maybe people who
don't want to pay that ten percent tax can go ahead and get their property taxes in
as I did. There's no property taxes in Mexico so I bought a house down there
a lot of sales tax with anyway I paid my share in and anybody who needs
a little care to remember that can present Penley I think takes effect tomorrow so
let's fill the coffers so we can keep the wheels rolling of this county Thank you.
Thank you. Forgot it was tax day.
But we get back on those property taxes seventeen cents
a dollar. But yeah.
That's pretty close pretty close. And I've had to redo it if you're seventeen.
Secret. Philip hole of wood with pennies.
OK that is the end of our agenda thank you all for coming and we'll.
See and next Tuesday this meeting is adjourned.